Nominations Clarification 3

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Nomination clarifications are queries and updates about tags we find confusing. The goal of nominations is to create a tagset of unambiguous, easy to understand tags that will be useful to participants and solidly within the scope of the exchange.

Tags are separated by query vs rejection notice, form vs AO3 nomination, and then by fandom. You can respond anonymously to this post or logged in. If you are not the nominator but have relevant fandom knowledge about something, please speak up! If you have questions about nominations not covered in this post, please ask!

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Fandom Combinations/Splits Decisions

• Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling — We haven't heard from the nominator so we're going to reject the nominated tag "Delphi & Harry Potter (Harry Potter)" and move it to Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Thorne & Rowling.
• Blue Lock — We will be keeping the manga and anime separate. The nominator who nominated without specifying should let us know which they would prefer; otherwise we can't accept them.

Queries

Google Forms nominations

• Barbie (Movie 2023): Allan/Ken (Barbie Movie) — Nominatior, which Ken do you want? If you don't care which Ken, we can accept as "Allan/Any Ken"
• Barbie (Movie 2023): Stereotypical Barbie/Gloria (Barbie Movie) — We've accepted as "Margot Robbie's Barbie/Gloria" to keep tags in this fandom consistent.
• Dimension 20 - Other Seasons: Andhera & BINX & Chirp & Hob & Rue & Squak (D20 - Other) — Could we have full names for these characters please?
• Forgotten Realms: WB: Duergar Society — The Forgotten Realms AO3 canonical is a parent tag of Baldur's Gate (Video Game) and that is a tagset mess waiting to happen, so we're going to approve this fandom as "Forgotten Realms (Tabletop RPG DFE)" to prevent wandering, unless the nominator would prefer something else. (But we're pretty sure you mean the Tabletop setting, so we'll accept as described if we don't hear from you.)
• Good Omens (TV): Aziraphale & The Bentley (Good Omens TV) — Is the car sentient? Objects can't be nominated as characters in FIAB, only people.
• Good Omens (TV): Aziraphale/Crowley & The Bentley (Good Omens TV) — Is the car sentient? Objects can't be nominated as characters in FIAB, only people.
• Good Omens (TV): Crowley & The Bentley (Good Omens TV) — Is the car sentient? Objects can't be nominated as characters in FIAB, only people.
• Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell - Susanna Clarke: WB: Female Magicians (JS & MR) — Sorry nominatior, this would be better as a Solo: tag, which we would be happy to sub in for you. Alternatively, could you expand a little on what kind of worldbuilding you're looking for about female magicians?
• Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell - Susanna Clarke: WB: Magicians outside of Britain (JS & MR) — Sorry nominatior, this would be better as a Solo: tag, which we would be happy to sub in for you. Alternatively, could you expand a little on what kind of worldbuilding you're looking for about magicians outside of Britain?
• Mapp & Lucia - All Media Types: WB: The Hurst (Mapp & Lucia) — I'm having a hard time googling this, could the nominator let me know what this is?
• Mapp & Lucia - All Media Types: WB: Tilling (Mapp & Lucia) — I'm having a hard time googling this, could the nominator let me know what this is?
• Naruto: Uchiha Inoichi/Uzumaki Naruto (Naruto) — "Uchiha Inoichi" does not appear to be a canonical Naruto character, can the nominator please clarify who they meant?
• Persona 5: WB: Social Links in Maruki's World (Persona 5) — "Social Links" seems to be the name for a game mechanic or something? We're really not sure. Nominator, can you explain what this tag means?
• Q.E.D. - All Media Types: Mizuhara Kana & Touma Sou (Q.E.D.) Mizuhara K (Q.E.D.) — Hey nominator, something went wrong with this tag. What did you mean to nominate?
• Shingeki no Kyojin | Attack on Titan: WB: The Colossal Titans in the Walls (Attack on Titan) — Nominatior, this seems like a group, which would mean it should be a Solo: tag. Alternatively, can you elaborate on what kind of worldbuilding you want from this tag?
• The Forgotten Beasts of Eld - Patricia McKillip: WB: Cyrin's Stories and Other History Referred to In Book (Forgotten Beasts of Eld) — Nominator, can we get more information from you about what kind of worldbuilding you're looking for from this tag? It seems from the Wikipedia summary that Cyrin is a boar that speaks in riddles and allegory
• Twilight Series - Stephenie Meyer: WB: How the Denali Coven Made Those Succubus Rumors (Twilight- Meyer) — Nominator, this feels a little like a prompt instead of something to worldbuild about. We would like to accept as, "WB: Development/Spread of Succubus Rumors"

Ao3 tagset nominations

• Amnesia: The Dark Descent: WB: Brennenberg Castle Blueprints & Layout (Amnesia), WB: Brennenberg Castle Interiors & Locations (Amnesia) — Nominator, we're a little confused about how these two tags are supposed to be different. Could you elaborate?
• Death Note (Anime & Manga): WB: Death Note Digitised (Death Note) — Is the Death Note digitized over the course of canon?
• Fire Emblem: Fuukasetsugetsu | Fire Emblem: Three Houses: WB: Incarnating Sothis (Fire Emblem: Three Houses) — Nominator, we've been able to find Sothis' character page, but nothing about what incarnating her means. Can you elaborate on this nomination?
• Lockwood & Co. (TV): WB: Night Cabs (Lockwood & Co TV) — We're having a hard time finding information on this nomination. Are night cabs just normal cabs driven at night, or are they different from other cabs?
• Piranesi - Susanna Clarke: The House & Piranesi (Piranesi) — Is the House sentient? The wikipedia summary of the book doesn't seem to imply that the House is also a person, just a location.
• Star Trek: Lower Decks (Cartoon): WB: How the Arts Have Survived in a Future Where AI Is Standard (ST: LWD) — This is phrased too much like a prompt instead of a concrete part of the canon universe. We'd like to accept as "WB: The Arts in a Future where AI Is Standard"
• Warhammer 40k (Novels) - Various Authors: WB: The Blood Angels Librarius Order before the Edict of Nikaea — This tag is just a group at a specific point of time, which doesn't tell us what kind of worldbuilding you're hoping for. Googling this is proving hard, but we'd be looking for a tag that was more like "WB: Rumors About [Group] Before [Event]" or "WB: Politics of [Group] Before [Event]"
• Warhammer 40k (Novels) - Various Authors: WB: The Librarius Orders of the Imperium Secundus (Ultramarines and Dark Angels and Blood Angels) — This tag seems to be a group, rather than a specific worldbuilding request. Googling this is proving a little hard, but we're looking for a tag more like "WB: Rumors About [Group]" or "WB: Recruitment/Logistics/Organization of [Gruop]"
• Warhammer 40k (Novels) - Various Authors: WB: The Revenant Legion/Immortal Ninth before Sanguinius is discovered/shortly after — This tag is just a group at a specific point of time, which doesn't tell us what kind of worldbuilding you're hoping for. Googling this is proving hard, but we'd be looking for a tag that was more like "WB: Rumors About [Group] Before [Event]" or "WB: Politics of [Group] Before [Event]"
• 人渣反派自救系统 - 墨香铜臭 | The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System - Mòxiāng Tóngxiù: WB: Wife Plots (Scum Villain) — Nominator, what is it about wife plots that you want worldbuilding about?

Rejected Tags

Google Forms nominations

• Degrees of Lewdity (Video Game): WB: Whitney's arrangement with Bailey — Sorry, nomination, this should be a prompt under a Solo: or normal relationship nomination. If the Solo: or & or / tag you need isn't nominated, we're happy to sub it in for you.
• Gourmet Hound (Webcomic): WB: Detective Mystic (Gourmet Hound) — Nominator, can you give us more info on this? We're having a hard time googling.
• Hustle Cat (Visual Novel): Finley & Avery Grey & Graves & Hayes & Landry & Mason & Reese (Hustle Cat) — Sorry nominator, per the Nominations Guidelines only relationships with six or fewer characters are allowed.
• Hustle Cat (Visual Novel): Finley/Avery Grey/Graves/Hayes/Landry/Mason/Reese (Hustle Cat) — Sorry nominator, per the Nominations Guidelines only relationships with six or fewer characters are allowed.
• Jurassic Park (Original Trilogy): WB: Alan Grant's career (Jurassic Park OT) — Sorry, nominator, this would be better as a prompt under a Solo: Alan Grant request. We're happy to approve as that! Or, if you can come up with a broader WB: tag that doesn't just focus on one character, we'd be happy to sub another WB tag in.
• NEEDY GIRL OVERDOSE (Visual Novel): WB: Any (NEEDY GIRL OVERDOSE (Visual Novel)) (NEEDY GIRL OVERDOSE) — We'll add all the WB: Any tags at the end, so you don't have to nominate them.
• So How Does a Centaur Eat Anyway? - Judith Tarr: WB: Any (How Does a Centaur Eat) — We'll add all the WB: Any tags at the end, so they don't need to be nominated.
• Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (TV): WB: Lathanites on Earth (ST: SNW) — This seems like a specific group, so unfortunately we can't accept it. We would be happy to change it into a Solo: nomination. Alternatively, can you elaborate on what kind of worldbuilding you're specifically looking for?
• 賭ケグルイ | Kakegurui (Anime & Manga): WB: Any (賭ケグルイ | Kakegurui (Anime & Manga) (Kakegurui) — We'll add all the WB: Any tags at the end, so you don't have to nominate them.

Ao3 tagset nominations

• Creator's Choice of Fandom: All tags. — This fandom is not allowed in FIAB.
• Dragon Age (Video Games): WB: Fereldan nobles (Dragon Age) — This is a group, so it should be a Solo: tag. Or we can workshop the tag so that it's asking for more specific worldbuilding. For example, "WB: Fereldan Social Class (Dragon Age)" or "WB: Fereldan Aristocracy Membership/Rights/Responsibilities (Dragon Age)"
• Fallout: New Vegas: WB: Brotherhood of Steel (Fallout: New Vegas) — This is a group, so it should be a Solo: tag. Or we can workshop the tag so that it's asking for more specific worldbuilding. For example, "WB: Rumors About the Brotherhood of Steel (Fallout: New Vegas)"
• Fallout: New Vegas: WB: Caesar's Legion (Fallout: New Vegas) — Caesar's Legion is both a physical place and a faction you can join. Nominator, what worldbuilding do you want about this group that isn't covered by switching this nomination to a Solo: tag? For example, are you looking for something like WB: Caesar's Legion Base or WB: Caesar's Legion Organization and Logistics
• X -エックス- | X/1999: WB: Dragons of Earth (X1999) — This is a group, so it should be a Solo: tag. Or we can workshop the tag so that it's asking for more specific worldbuilding. For example, "WB: Rumors About the Dragons of Earth (X1999)"
• X -エックス- | X/1999: WB: Dragons of Heaven (X1999) — This is a group, so it should be a Solo: tag. Or we can workshop the tag so that it's asking for more specific worldbuilding. For example, "WB: Rumors About the Dragons of Heaven (X1999)"
• X -エックス- | X/1999: WB: Princess Hinoto's Magical Role Before 1999 (X1999) — This tag is too focused on one character. You can either nominate Solo: Princess Hinoto and include a prompt for this in your optional details, or we could accept a tag like WB: Role of Magic In Politics
• X -エックス- | X/1999: WB: Princess Hinoto's Political Role Before 1999 (X1999) — This tag is too focused on one character. You can either nominate Solo: Princess Hinoto and include a prompt for this in your optional details, or we could accept a tag like WB: Role of Magic In Politics

We may at some point need to start rejecting queried AO3 noms so that we can see nominations under them (although we haven't gotten to that point yet) because of how the tagset backend works. If we've queried a tag and later rejected it, you can still comment on the noms posts and we'll work the tag out!

If your nominations were rejected and are not listed here, they were incorrect or disallowed. Please review the nominations guidelines (link) or try out Google Form nominating.

Comments

[edriss]

I nominated the Twilight Denali WB tag and I'm good with the suggested change. Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

Not good omens nominator but the Bentley does indeed show having its own personality and moving of its own accord

[sushiflop]

Hi, "WB: The Colossal Titans in the Walls (Attack on Titan)" is mine. As some background since I'm not sure if mods are canon familiar, all titans are transformed human beings, and in the case of the colossal titans in the walls they have entirely lost their human identities and are insentient as titans. The sort of worldbuilding I'd be interested for them is something from precanon exploring who the people who became the wall titans were, and how they were chosen for this task - were they volunteers intending to serve their people? Pressganged prisoners forced to lose themselves? Randos? Otherwise, I'd be interested in a postcanon story (all titans seem to be returned to their human selves at the end of the story) exploring what happens to or what is done with these people who are basically time capsules a century displaced in time. If any of these people appeared as characters, they'd be completely canon OCs.

Accepting the tag as "Solo: The Colossal Titans in the Walls (Attack on Titan)" would work fine for me as well.

[melime]

(The Bentley nominator)

That would depend on your definition of sentient. As of season 2 the Bentley is shown to have some personality, it follows Aziraphale when parked and has to be told to go back to its spot and stay parked, Aziraphale refers to it "not wanting" to increase the speed, and it changes Crowley's music to Queen, but plays what Aziraphale wants with some stern talking to. These things happen independently of Crowley's will, but he does have some undefined psychic connection to it (he can "feel" from a distance that it's being driven under the speed limit and is now yellow).

I wouldn't say it's a person, but it seems to both be and be treated as some sort of a pet? I thought pets/animal level sentience was allowed but if not then yeah, I don't think the Bentley would count, and I'm fine with leaving it out.

[box_of_doom]

Gourmet Hound nominator here! Detective Mystic is a fictional TV show within the world of the comic. It shows up a few times, but is described in the most detail in Episode 72: Popcorn.

[mixtapestar]

For Barbie, Allan/Any Ken is good with me.

For Dimension 20, full names as known would be:
Andhera & BINX Choppley & Chirp Featherfowl & K.P. Hob & Delloso de la Rue & Squak Airavis

With the disambig, it's 4 characters over, but I'm good with whatever you decide.

[zabbers]

Mapp & Lucia nominator here!

WB: The Hurst (Mapp & Lucia) — I'm having a hard time googling this, could the nominator let me know what this is?

The Hurst is Lucia's house in Riseholme, the fictional Elizabethan village in the Cotswolds, setting of Queen Lucia. In keeping with the village, she has caused it to be an even more Elizabethan house: "The three cottages dexterously transformed into The Hurst, presented a charmingly irregular and picturesque front. Two were of the grey stone of the district and the middle one, to the door of which led the paved path, of brick and timber; latticed windows with stone mullions gave little light to the room within, and certain new windows had been added; these could be detected by the observant eye for they had a markedly older appearance than the rest." In its garden "there was not a flower to be found save such as were mentioned in the plays of Shakespeare."

For convenience of checking, it's mentioned in this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riseholme_(fictional_village)

WB: Tilling (Mapp & Lucia) — I'm having a hard time googling this, could the nominator let me know what this is?

Tilling is the fictional Sussex town to which Lucia moves in Mapp and Lucia. "They arrived at Tilling in the middle of the afternoon, entering it from the long level road that ran across the reclaimed marsh-land to the west. Blue was the sky overhead, complete with larks and small white clouds; the town lay basking in the hot June sunshine, and its narrow streets abounded in red-brick houses with tiled roofs, that shouted Queen Anne and George I in Lucia’s enraptured ears, and made Georgie’s fingers itch for his sketching-tools."

For convenience of checking, it's covered in this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilling_(Sussex)

I'm interested in further descriptive details/sketches of, neighbor and visitor perspectives on, and happenings in the town and the house, whether fic or in-universe material.

[flirtygaybrit]

Amnesia: The Dark Descent nominator here! Had a little brain fart while writing those two up—they’re definitely the same thing, so I’ve deleted one of the noms. Hopefully that clears everything up!

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you!! I'll shorten the disambig so that it fits :)

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you!!

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you!! This clears things up, locations are perfect for WB tags.

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you, we will accept!

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

No, this sounds like it counts, thank you! We'll accept.

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

These all sound like really exciting worldbuilding requests! Our logic for not allowing just groups to be nominated as worldbuilding tags is that when we're checking works we want to know for sure what kind of worldbuilding should be included, and make sure people requesting the tags don't just get a work where the group shows up. How about two different tags:

WB: Origins/Selection of People Who Became Wall Titans
WB: Reintegration Into Society Of People Who Were Wall Titans

[(Anonymous)]

I resubmitted Phee Genoa/Clone Trooper Tech (Star Wars: The Bad Batch) which was rejected I assume for not being properly disambiguated; let me know if it needs further changing.

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you for the info!

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Thank you, we will accept as WB: Development/Spread of Succubus Rumors!

[sushiflop]

I think those are fabulous! Thanks for your hard work, mods.

[desertvixen]

Not the SNW nominator but the Lathanites are a long-lived race that has been hiding among humans for quite some time (they appear human). We meet one in the show, Pelia, but hearing about more of them would be excellent!

[mahmfic]

A relationship I nominated was rejected and I dunno why. It's (currently) not listed on the tag set. It's Pavel Chekov/Leonard "Bones" McCoy in Star Trek AOS.

Crosshair & Echo & Hunter & Omega & Tech for Star Wars Bad Batch was rejected too. It's not in the tag set. That's the max of 6 characters in a nomination, right? So it'd count.


:-(

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Hello, thank you for the info! To elaborate a little (in case the nominator stops by) we don't want worldbuilding tags to be just groups because we want to know what worldbuilding we should actually be checking for — a WB [Group of Characters] tag could technically be fulfilled by almost any fic in which the characters appear and we learn things about them, which is just very general and not functionally very different from a Solo: [Group of Characters] tag. So we want a more specific worldbuilding tag for this group that elaborates on what, exactly, the nominator wants to hear about them — say, the politics and rumors involved in their reveal to society, or their methods and philosophy for staying hidden for so long, or popular opinion in [timeperiod] about them.

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

Hello! You didn't have a disambiguation after your relationship, which is required for all tags. Incorrectly formatted tags nominated via AO3 are rejected in this exchange instead of fixed, because we simply get too many nominations to fix them. Nominations unfortunately just closed, but tagset clean up is done, we'll start taking late nominations, so you'll have another chance to get it in. You can see instructions about tag formatting in the nominations guidelines and examples of correctly formatted tags in the tagset.

[fools_gold_victory]

Forgotten Realms: WB: Duergar Society — The Forgotten Realms AO3 canonical is a parent tag of Baldur's Gate (Video Game) and that is a tagset mess waiting to happen, so we're going to approve this fandom as "Forgotten Realms (Tabletop RPG DFE)" to prevent wandering, unless the nominator would prefer something else. (But we're pretty sure you mean the Tabletop setting, so we'll accept as described if we don't hear from you.)

I am the nominator for Forgotten Realms. I do mean the tabletop setting, so approving it as you've described it sounds great. I don't play Baldur's Gate and I hadn't realized they could get confused. Thank you for your hard work!

[fic_in_a_box_mod]

You're good! This was accepted in the most recent batch :)

X/1999 nominations

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, X/1999 nominator here. I think having both "Solo: Princess Hinoto" and "WB: Role of Magic in Politics" would work very well, as Hinoto is the major player but there are other magical characters who play a political role and that I'd be interested in.

For the dragons, I did intend both tags to be WB about what the dragons truly are, how they work (like how is one chosen for one group or the other, what are the rules of their powers, etc.) because the manga isn't super explicit about that and there's a lot to build around. Maybe "WB: Mechanics of the Dragons (of Earth)/(of Heaven)"?